This has been a debate for a long time and will probably go back and forth till the end of time. I wish to share my view of it and I ask you to please read it with an open mind... I have studied both ends of the argument for and against female Pastorship. I think to have a view one must know both sides for and against that view that way when the subject comes up they can argue their point better cause they will know what they are talking about. First off I wanna say that I believe every word in the Bible is true not always literal but fully true. Some Scripture is to be taken literally and some isn't some which we can tell by using our brains which is literal and which isn't and then other parts take discernment and prayer. The first verse I wanna look at is this "women should remain silent in churchs. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says" 1 Corinthians 14:34 NIV. So what is Paul saying here?? Is it as literal as it may seem?? Well I think first off Church needs to be defined. In Paul's day Church was not a building it was wherever two or more Christians were gathered. I personally believe Church is also not just a building but it is wherever Jesus believers are. "For where two or three gather in My Name, there I am with them" Matthew 18:20 NIV. Now surely Paul didn't mean that two Christian females couldn't even say hi to each other and act mute all the time did he?? GOD gave women voice boxes just as much as He did men and Paul knew that. So of course this verse is not literal or it would mean the only time a woman could speak was when she was alone or talking to a non-believer. With all the Prophetesses in the Bible and Jesus even telling the women at the tomb to go tell about His resurrection this verse can't be literal that wouldn't even make sense if it were cause then Jesus would contradict His own Word by asking the women to go tell He has risen and Jesus wouldn't do that. So what does this verse mean?? Well I personally am a visual learner so when I read verses in the Bible I try to picture them in my head so as to get a clear understanding of whats happening. Now back in the time of Jesus and further back women had their place in the Synagog. The women in the Synagog where to be a in place separate from the men and the gentiles and to be hidden they were not to be seen. Woman at that time were more treated like objects then human beings. Women had no say in anything. A woman's father decided when she would marry, to whom she would marry and why she would marry. A woman was not permitted to divorce their husbands for any reason at all only men were allowed to divorce their wives. Women were not allowed to receive an education their only training was in how to raise children and keep house. Women were to be seen as little as possible in public in fact young men were warned about talking to women in public so much so that it was a shame in ancient Israel for a man to talk to a woman in public. The men had a prayer each day they would say "Praise be to GOD Who has not made me a non-Jew. Praise be to GOD who has not made me an ignorant person. Praise be to GOD Who has not made me a woman." In that time women were thought to be inferior to men. I just want you to have a clear picture of the time period and even in Paul's day women were still being treated like that. Except for one thing and that was for the first time women were allowed to be where the men were in the Church and it was all new to them. Do you remember your first time in Church?? All the questions you had?? Well the women were the same and they didn't know all the rules they were never taught and Church was quickly becoming chaotic. Something had to be done. So Paul said the verse in 1 Corinthians and what he was basically saying was he understood they had questions but to ask their husbands later so they could still learn. This still goes today if you have a question ask the Pastor afterwards or whomever you think could help. Doesn't that make a whole lot more sense then to ask women to be mute their whole lives?? Ok time to tackle a verse that is most often quoted when arguing that women can't be Pastors. "I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet" 1 Timothy 2:12 NIV. What is the Bible saying here?? Is this as literal as it seems?? Well the Greek translates it as husband first off not man. A woman is to submit to her husband. "Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord" Ephesians 5:22 NIV. Now notice it doesn't say for a woman to submit to every man but a wife to her husband and to Christ first. Now the 1 Timothy verse can't work out literally and I'll tell you why. Well a woman is typing this blog. There will be men out there that will read this. What if a man just happens to learn something I typed on this blog then what?? Do I put a disclaimer somewhere saying "if your a man please don't learn anything from this blog cause since I'm a woman I'm not to teach men." Don't you think that's a bit silly?? Do I pray and hope that no man ever learns anything from my blog?? Do I just stop blogging which I enjoy just to make sure I don't teach men anything?? Do I watch my words around men so they will not learn anything from what I say by accident?? Do I just play stupid and pretend I have no brains at all?? When one witnesses to a non-believer they are teaching that person new information so does this mean women can only witness to a women?? What if a man comes up to her with questions honestly seeking GOD?? Should she just ignore him?? Tell him that she can't help him cause she's a woman and so can't teach men?? Good luck convincing him on freedom in Christ after that. When Jesus told the disciples to go and spread the Gospel He did not say "men go preach the Gospel and women and go sit at home and shut up" no He never said that. He said to males and females to preach the Gospel. " And Jesus came and said to them, 'all authority in Heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Go therefore and make disciples if all nations, baptizing them in Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age" Matthew 28:18-20 ESV. No mention there at all of men only. And so at what age do boys become men?? Because its different for everyone. I have a brother who is 17 but has sever autism and has the mind of a 5 year old is he a man or not?? Besides him there are no other believers in my family. Should I not teach my brother about the faith simply because I'm female?? That's stupid. There are also male and female leaders at Celebrate Recovery a Christ centered recovery group and male and females give lessons which means women have taught men. Now what are they cursed for that?? Should the women apologize for teaching?? Is it somehow different cause they are leaders and not official Pastors?? But the Word says women can't teach men. There is no mention of Pastor in 1 Timothy just says women can't teach men. If women take 1 Timothy literally then she must pretend to have no brains at all and act stupid all the time so as to make sure no man ever learns anything. There are pretty smart women out there to some have become scientists and lawyers and all kinds of things. Should women be told to not use the gifts GOD gave them and pretend to be stupid just to make sure she never teaches men anything?? I can't believe that's what GOD wants for women. Why would He give them brains if He doesn't want women to use them?? Because if a woman pretends to be something she isn't she's lying isn't she?? Now suddenly we want women to break a commandment just so we can take one passage of the Bible literally?? We're asking women to sin just so we will be happy in taking one verse in the Bible literally. Do you feel comfortable asking someone to sin just so you can be happy and take one verse in the Bible literally?? Surely the Holy Spirit would convict the woman the whole time she's lying to cause that what the Holy Spirit does when we sin He convicts us. So now in asking women to take this passage literally not only are we asking them to live in sin but to ignore the Holy Spirit's conviction as well. That's not a good idea. We will be judged on what we have done in our bodies good or bad at the end of time. So are you saying you'd rather a woman be judged by GOD for not following conviction just because you wanna interpret a verse literally?? GOD's gonna wanna ask you about that to. What will you tell Him?? Now can you see how stupid it is to interpret 1 Timothy literally?? Man in the 1 Timothy verse must mean husband as interpreted in the Greek or we have to deal with all the above. So a woman can't teach her husband now that makes more sense. In the home the husband is to lead and after Christ is the final authority and has the last say. That does not give him permission to be controlling and that does not mean a woman can't have an opinion and is to be walked all over like a doormat. Men and women are equal lets keep that in mind but in the home the man after Christ is the authority. Men are called to lead but not control. Besides I've seen what happens when a woman tries to lead the home. Whatever she wanted he gave without question. She wanted a new car he got her a new car. She wanted another kid she got another kid. She wanted a bigger house he gave her a bigger house. Well time went on and well he got fed up and to make a long story short they got divorced. Ya know I did think of him as a weak man for not leading the home as he should. I think if a man can't figure out how to lead then he shouldn't get married or have a family. But notice that its only in the family?? A man can't simply just take charge wherever he pleases. Women have freedoms and rights just like men do. Also I wish to point out that just because the Bible never says a certain woman was a Pastor doesn't mean it never happened. The Bible is silent on a alot of things. Silence can imply a whole lot. The Bible also doesn't say that Paul or the twelve disciples were baptized in water yet its assumed that they were. In Exodus 18 Jethro visits his son-in-law Moses and sees what Moses is doing and that's its just to much for him to handle and judicial system is born. Interestingly the qualifications to be a judge in Israel are similar to the overseer qualifications in the New Testament. In Deuteronomy 16:18 the judge system is reaffirmed and the people are given a task to appoint judges. Interestingly there is no mention of gender at all. Also there was Huldah the prophetess and representatives of both the King and Priests came to inquire of her implying that the King and the Priests had submit to the authority of her words. Again would GOD have her in that position if it were bad?? Colossians 4:14 shows Nympha as a hostess of a house Church. One is lead to assume from this verse that she is a Pastor. "Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task" 1 Timothy 3:1 NIV. Overseer means Pastor and interestingly nothing about gender at all it says whoever. The Bible also teaches that GOD does not play favorites. Unlike the Christian t-shirt I saw that said "Jesus loves you but I'm His favorite." Galations 3:28 and Acts 10:34 agree that GOD does not have favorites. So it really doesn't make sense to favor men for preaching over women as it makes men seem like GOD's favorite when GOD doesn't play favorites. If a woman can't preach then she also can't witness as witnessing is a form of preaching. This also means no more female teachers in Sunday school as they are preaching to children. This also means no more female teachers in youth ministry as they are preaching to both male and female teenagers. Women preachers are also a fulfillment of Bible prophecy and another sign of Christ's return which is talked about in Joel 2:28 and Acts 2:17-18. The Bible also declares that women will prophesy in 1 Corinthians 11:5. The word prophet means public expounder. The word prophesy means to speak forth or flow forth. The Bible says in 1 Corinthians 14:3 "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto MEN to edification, and exhortation and comfort." The dictionary says prophesy is to speak under divine inspiration to preach. Therefore we learn from the original translation, from the Bible interpretation, and from the dictionary, that to prophesy means more than to tell the future, but it is to speak publicly about the past, present, or future. It is to preach under the anointing of the Holy Spirit. Why would GOD call women to that if its wrong?? GOD called and used women preachers in the Old Testament. DEBORAH - Judges 4:4-5. Deborah was a Judge for both civil and criminal cases. She did the work of an evangelist, prophetess, Judge, and a preacher. God gave her authority over the mighty (Judges 5:13). MIRIAM - Exodus 15:20; Numbers 12:1; Micah 6:4. She was a Prophetess and a Song Leader in Israel. Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz's mother - Isaiah 8:3. She was a prophetess. God called and used women preachers in the New Testament. The first message of the Resurrection of Christ was spoken by women to a group of men. Anna - Luke 2:36-38. She must have prophesied in church, because she did not depart from the temple. Phillip had 4 daughters who prophesied. Acts 21:9. Priscilla assisted Paul in his revival meeting and even taught Apollos in the way of the Lord more perfectly. Paul commended Phoebe to the Church at Rome and requested that they assist her in her business. She was one of Paul's assistants in the work of the Lord and delivered the Book of Romans to the people from the hand of Paul. 1 Corinthians 14: 34-35 does not say anything about women preachers. If Paul intended this verse as a general rule to bar all women from speaking in church, then they cannot teach Sunday School, testify, pray, prophesy, sing, or even get saved, and this would contradict the rest of the Bible (Acts 2:4; Acts 2:16-18). "I can do all things through Him who strengthens me" Philippians 4:13 ESV. Notice it says all things not just some things. It doesn't say can do all things but women all things but be a Pastor. It doesn't say that it says all things. And Jesus Himself said that with GOD all things are possible not And Jesus Himself said that with GOD all things are possible not just some things. That means if GOD wants a woman to be a Pastor then He'll make that happen cause with Him anything is possible not just some things. "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male or female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" Galatians 3:28 NIV. That doesn't mean we stop being male or female but that both are equal in GOD's eyes. "She speaks wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue" Proverbs 31:26 NIV. This is the Proverbs 31 woman the woman all women should aspire to be. GOD gave her that wisdom and instruction for a reason He didn't give it to her to play dumb. 1 Corinthians 12:7-14 says nothing at all about gender it doesn't say some gifts are just for men and some are just for women. "So GOD created mankind in His own image, in the image of GOD He created them; male and female He created them" Genesis 1:27 NIV. Another reminder that men and women are equal and created in the image of GOD. Neither one is inferior to the other... I also have some links on this subject http://newlife.id.au/equality-and-ge...-in-context-4/ , http://carm.org/1-tim-212-13-and-wom...ors-and-elders ,
http://www.mainstreambaptists.org/mob/woman_pastor.htm and http://www.ttc.edu.sg/csca/CS/2002-A...m%20Harvey.pdf please look if you want... This is my two cents worth. GOD bless you.
Sunday, July 14, 2013
Sunday, July 7, 2013
I tried before to do a blog series on prayer but there was much of it I didn't like so I deleted all those posts and will now do one blog on prayer... "After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in Heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For Thine is the Kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen" Matthew 6:9-13 KJV. The disciples had asked Jesus to teach them to pray and this was His reply. So what do these words mean?? It doesn't mean we just pray these same words in rote over and over. Just imagine being with someone who only said the same exact same words to you over and over. Wouldn't that drive you crazy?? GOD is more patient then us true but we are to be in a growing relationship with Him and to just say the same words over and over in rote is not growing. So what are we to pray?? First we are to tell the truth. It doesn't help to lie to GOD that's not a good idea and if you are tempted to lie to Him think of Ananias and Sapphira. Next we need to know who we are and who GOD is. It helps to know who you are and who the person your talking to is when conversing. We as Christians are GOD's children John 1:12 , as disciples we are friends of Jesus Christ John 15:15 , we have been justified Romans 5:1 , we are united with the Lord, and are one with Him in spirit 1 Corinthians 6:17 , we have been bought at a price and belong to GOD 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 , we are members of Christ's body 1 Corinthians 12:27 , we have been chosen by GOD and adopted as His children Ephesians 1:3-8 , we have been redeemed and forgiven of all of our sins Colossians 1:13-14 , we are complete in Christ Colossians 2:9-10 , we have direct access to the throne of grace through Jesus Christ Hebrews 4:14-16, we are free from condemnation Romans 8:1-2 , GOD works for our good in all circumstances Romans 8:28 , we are free from any condemnation brought against us and we cannot be separated from the love of GOD Romans 8:31-39 , we have been established, anointed and sealed by GOD 2 Corinthians 1:21-22 , we are hidden in Christ GOD Colossians 3:1-4 , we can be confident that the good work GOD started us He will complete Philippians 1:6 , we are citizens of Heaven Philippians 3:20 , we have not been given a spirit of fear but of power, love and a sound mind 2 Timothy 1:7 , we are born of GOD and the evil one can't touch us 1 John 5:18 , we are branches of Jesus Christ the true vine and a channel of His life John 15:5 , we have been chosen and appointed to bear fruit John 15:16 , we GOD's temple 1 Corinthians 3:16 , we are ministers of reconciliation for GOD 2 Corinthians 5:17-21 , we are seated with Christ in the Heaven;y realm Ephesians 2:6 , we are GOD's workmanship Ephesians 2:10 , we can approach GOD with freedom and with confidence Ephesians 3:12 , we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us Philippians 4:13. That is who we are as Christians so now we need to know who GOD is. There is always more to learn about GOD since He is infinite we can never get to the end of GOD. But I can give you a little list of who GOD is just to start you off. GOD is eternal 1 Timothy 1:17 , GOD is holy Revelation 4:8 , GOD is unchanging Malachi 3:6 , GOD is infinite Revelation 1:8 , GOD is all powerful Matthew 19:26 , GOD is everywhere 1 Kings 8:27 , GOD is all knowing 1 John 3:20 , GOD is self existent Genesis 1:1 , GOD is good Psalm 100:5 , GOD is love 1 John 4:8 , GOD is gracious Psalm 145:8 , GOD is merciful Acts 17:11 , GOD is just 2 Thessalonians 1:6 , GOD is sovereign 1 Chronicles 29:11-12 , GOD is our Heavenly Father 1 Corinthians 8:6 , GOD never breaks His promises Joshua 21:45 , GOD does not lie Numbers 23:19. There is more but you'll discover more as you learn and grow in GOD. Next is look forward to Jesus coming back as that's a good thing. Nothing for Christians to fear about Christ returning. Also pray for GOD's will not just your own. Most often our prayers sound like this "gimme what I want and when You do I'll be happy then I'll ask for more." The world does not revolve around you. Ask Him to help you want what He wants and as you learn and grow in GOD you'll start wanting what He wants naturally. Its ok though to ask for the things you want and need just like if your a parent its ok for your kids to ask you for what they need and want isn't it?? What they ask maybe you'll say no but its still ok for them to ask. Well if you feel that way GOD does multiplied by infinity and for those of you who didn't have parents who feel that way just think of the one person you are closest to and multiply what the feel for you by infinity. Be specific and if you can't be specific cause your to upset or stressed don't worry GOD knows what you need and will still take care of you so just rest in Him you'll be fine. Ask His forgiveness for your sins as soon as possible don't delay as there is no point in delaying it. You can't hide your sin from Him He knows so you might as well just admit it to Him and repent. Then move on don't try to punish yourself by staying miserable or whatever it is you do to punish yourself by doing that your saying what Jesus did on the cross wasn't good enough so you must add to it. So after repenting no longer think of what you did cause GOD won't He'll forget about it cause He loves you just think of what Jesus did for you instead and move on. Also remember to forgive others and keep in mind that in GOD's eyes your just as sinful as they are and GOD didn't have to forgive you He chose to cause He loves you. When being tempted remember to pray and tell GOD your temptation its ok to tell Him that Jesus was tempted so temptation is not a sin. And last but not least give GOD the worship He deserves when you pray. Doesn't have to be talking you can sing to Him if you want or whatever it is you do in worship. Prayer is just a fancy way of saying your talking with GOD. Keep in mind you can't manipulate Him to do what you want so don't try. Tell Him everything no matter how small or big. I've told Him when I was bored or hungry. Think of that one person you are closest to and how excited they are to hear the smallest detail out of you when you have been away on trip well that is like GOD only GOD is like that multiplied by infinity 24/7. He wants to hear from you and looks forward to talking with you. Don't be nervous about GOD finding out something He already knows so you'll never surprise Him or shock Him. You don't have to wait in a line or something to talk to Him you can talk to Him anytime GOD never takes a vacation and He never sleeps. GOD will never be to busy for you. There is nothing you can't talk about with GOD no subject is off limits. You'll never tire Him out or bore Him. And there is no roaming fee so you can pray and walk which is what I like to do. You can pray anywhere even in the shower if you want I know someone who said they once prayed while on the toilet so no place is off limits. There is no time limit on how long you can talk to Him. You don't have to sit or stand a certain way to pray. You don't have to dress a certain way or be in a certain mood to pray just be yourself. Its never to late to pray until you are dead and in Heaven you'll continue to talk with Him constantly. Notice I say that we are to talk with GOD and not to GOD?? There is a difference. Way to many times we talk and say amen and we don't listen to His answer. In order to talk with someone you have to listen and if you are talking you are not listening. Its impossible to talk and listen to someone else at the same time. And if you are thinking of something to say while someone else is talking then you are not listening. "Be still, and know that I am GOD! I will be honored by every nation. I will be honored throughout the world" Psalm 46:10 NLT.... Now if you are not yet a Christian then you are not a child of GOD. I know the world says everyone is but that's not true in order to be His child you must be born again into His family. If you want to be born again first realize that you are sinner and that GOD is just in sending you to hell for your sins and you deserve that punishment. Know that you can't save yourself no matter what you say, feel, think or do. No one at all but Jesus Christ can save you. Jesus is the only way to the Father. Jesus is GOD's only begotten Son who was sent to die in your place and receive the punishment that was for you. Jesus came and lived on this earth and He died on a cross for all your past, present and future sins. The wrath of GOD was upon Him for you. Then after three days He rose again conquering sin, death and the grave. Then He ascended to Heaven where He is right now at the Father's right hand side. He then sent His Spirit into the world and everyone who is Christian has His Spirit living in them. "If you declare with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord' and believe in your heart that GOD raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" Romans 10:9 NIV. If you have done this congratulations and welcome to the family. GOD is now your Heavenly Father and every Christian is your brother or sister. If you haven't I wanna ask you what are you waiting for?? If you wait till after you die it will be to late then and your time could be up at any moment no one knows when they will die....